What a shit show and a rrrrrrrreally important post! Thank you so much. I don't know if you're aware of this Substacker, but Dr. Margaret Aranda has a terrific stack devoted, in part, to hospital patients' rights/advocacy. Just FYI to you and your readers. Very Best and Happy New Year!
Just ONE of many of her articles begins: "A Guide to DNR Orders and Complaints on Hospital Neglect of Care: How a DNR Works, Emergency Help, the Tier of Supervisors, and the Regulating Commissions of Doctors and Hospitals Themselves
What can you do about illegal DNR orders that result in hospital neglect and patient death? Who do you complain to, while the patient is still in the hospital? And who can you turn to for LIVE HELP?"
And her post today is "Getting a Covid Shot While Under Anesthesia, Without Your Permission or Informed Consent."
She might be great to interview for a potential post. Regardless, thank you, Karen, for the great work you're doing. And whoever you accompanied to the ED, they are lucky to have you.
I have not heard of Dr. Aranda so thank you for sharing. I read through all the forms given to me at the ED and no where did it say they can vaccinate you when under anesthesia. I have heard of this happening and I am curious if those medical facility consent documents mentioned that they could do so. But as I see in Aranda’s title they can do so even without consent. I will have to check out her post. Bottom line, you need a watchful eye and a loud voice of someone with you when in the hospital.
My 20 year old daughter is a bit on the fragile side. She usually comes home from college with at least one ailment. This time she came home with a horrible cough and a sore ribcage. My guess was she might have pulled a muscle from all the coughing. By morning she was having difficulty walking or even sitting comfortably. I first tried DMSO but she did not like the itching, stinging sensation. So then I took a raw organic potato, grated it and wrapped it in a soft kitchen towel and placed it on the sore area. We did it once a day for about an hour and by day three she had very little pain. Her friends said her mother is a witch doctor. Obviously a fall from a ladder does need a more thorough evaluation! But for the little things, it’s amazing how many home remedies are available.
As a recently (2018) retired physician, my recommendation is to avoid all allopathic medicine at this point, especially hospitals. Everyone in allopathic medicine went brain dead in 2020, although there were clear signs years before then. I’m so sorry anyone has to endure this maltreatment. Praying for you and your family.
Four years ago my son took me to the ER as I had slipped on the stairs and landed on my arm and was in much pain. The hospital tech took me to get an X-ray and after viewing determined that it was a sprain. After a week of being in intense pain I made an appointment with an orthopedic dr. The orthopedist did another X-ray and told me that I had a hairline fracture and that it was too late to cast as it was already healing. Thankfully it has healed with no problems but my intuition told me that the pain was something to have further investigated.
Even though the treatment was the same from allopathic medicine , it is still in our best interest to know what is wrong so that we can use natural remedies when appropriate
You left out the fact this "contrast dye" is actually radioactive and contains graphene oxides. Fun. Never, not ever, should a person sign something they haven't read. Particularly medical consent forms.
I feel for you... worst place to ever go is the hospital.
Recently family member had a shunt malfunction and of course they were alone in the ER and of course they signed the papers.. even though their cognitive function was affected by the shunt issue. UGH. At LEAST we had a wonderful nurse. When she came to ask questions I had arrived (it was emergency surgery) and when she talked about the jabs (of all kinds) there was a wonderful discussion on how bad all jabs were.
Thankfully you had an aware nurse! When I said no to the contrast dye for the CT scan, the technician looked at me like I was crazy even though she admitted the dye was not necessary in this situation. How scary to be alone in the ER. Glad you were able to get there for the family member.
Assuming good intentions of everybody involved, I can understand that they have too many patients there to run the checklist point by point for everyone. Most patients won’t even understand what they are told. The work of the department will be slowed down, workers overburdened, so the final number of patients benefitting from the care could be affected.
After all, they are specialists, we are not. We assume and trust that they are there for the best of our interests, and that they will select and apply the best measures matching our condition.
Because this is what we do.
When I am a car mechanic, and the doctor in charge arrives in my shop, I do all the steps he/she does in ED and I optimize the procedure for effect (safety, recovery, future performance) and for labour involved (my staff and resources).
Same when we go shopping and the personnel there advises us and helps to choose what we need (or think we need). Same when investing money. Same when buying insurance coverage. Same when replacing installations back home. We all do this routinely, because this is how things should be done and are done.
In adrenaline-rich environments, the number of checks, explanations, questions and readbacks increases. Because firemen, policemen, airplane pilots, ship masters and bus drivers all are aware of tragic consequences if any of these measures are neglected.
In short, all these people carefully follow protocols of their trade because THEY CARE.
And our presence, residents, passengers or witnesses, does not make their work “overburdened”. Just the opposite. That burden or routines, checklists and informed talks is in place to make sure that we (the participants) are safe and they (the active protectors) do all they can to have the best outcome possible.
Simple, respectful, graceful.
May we all have this coming year like this - simple, respectful and graceful.
Dan, I definitely trust my car mechanic above and beyond the trust I have for westernized medicine. I understand it's a lot to read and most people do not even care but the health of my body is so important to me because it's the only one I have. I am fully aware of how the medical system can do harm. Maybe they are unaware but every thing they did is another exorbitant fee added to the bill. Blood test was unnecessary but he will be billed. Contrast dye was another fee that he thankfully avoided. For someone to tell him he had broken ribs but couldn't tell him the fracture severity is an unacceptable fee. I think most people have good intentions but many within Western medicine are clueless then.
Rip-offs in the name of any business are not nice.
PS. In most businesses, you get a detailed price offer before you buy. This includes insurance and banking. Why would health care be different? I have no idea.
Maybe because anesthesiologists are the only category of HCWs who do not like their job - the cannot talk their client into buying :-)
The forms (which I signed before reading) included pages listing the sources of all the separate bills, but obviously, there was no pricing. It will be interesting to see when he gets it.
It should be possible to challenge the whole thing on legal terms. Not easy, I guess. And at the expense of feeding another predator to rescue you from the first one. Unless a bona fide lawyer accepts the challenge for free.
I think it is illegal, but I would have to ask a lawyer for confirmation. When you approve new terms and conditions, say for your phone software update, you may not read the form entirely, but it is provided. At this hospital, I was not even offered the document to read or have it texted or emailed to me, and nothing was explained. Patients can opt not to read the form, but to not have it offered does not seem legal to me. At the very least, I will submit a formal complaint against them for this reason.
I wish I had your positive outlook regarding people's good intentions...but I've become far too cynical. My sense is that some people in zombie mode don't have any intentions at all; they're just on auto-pilot.
What a shit show and a rrrrrrrreally important post! Thank you so much. I don't know if you're aware of this Substacker, but Dr. Margaret Aranda has a terrific stack devoted, in part, to hospital patients' rights/advocacy. Just FYI to you and your readers. Very Best and Happy New Year!
Just ONE of many of her articles begins: "A Guide to DNR Orders and Complaints on Hospital Neglect of Care: How a DNR Works, Emergency Help, the Tier of Supervisors, and the Regulating Commissions of Doctors and Hospitals Themselves
What can you do about illegal DNR orders that result in hospital neglect and patient death? Who do you complain to, while the patient is still in the hospital? And who can you turn to for LIVE HELP?"
And her post today is "Getting a Covid Shot While Under Anesthesia, Without Your Permission or Informed Consent."
She might be great to interview for a potential post. Regardless, thank you, Karen, for the great work you're doing. And whoever you accompanied to the ED, they are lucky to have you.
I have not heard of Dr. Aranda so thank you for sharing. I read through all the forms given to me at the ED and no where did it say they can vaccinate you when under anesthesia. I have heard of this happening and I am curious if those medical facility consent documents mentioned that they could do so. But as I see in Aranda’s title they can do so even without consent. I will have to check out her post. Bottom line, you need a watchful eye and a loud voice of someone with you when in the hospital.
This looks like a good one of hers!
Getting a Covid Shot While Under Anesthesia, Without Your Permission or Informed Consent
Class Action Lawsuit in Progress for Damages. Testing for "Vaccinal" Spike Protein.
Dr Margaret Aranda
Dec 31, 2024
My 20 year old daughter is a bit on the fragile side. She usually comes home from college with at least one ailment. This time she came home with a horrible cough and a sore ribcage. My guess was she might have pulled a muscle from all the coughing. By morning she was having difficulty walking or even sitting comfortably. I first tried DMSO but she did not like the itching, stinging sensation. So then I took a raw organic potato, grated it and wrapped it in a soft kitchen towel and placed it on the sore area. We did it once a day for about an hour and by day three she had very little pain. Her friends said her mother is a witch doctor. Obviously a fall from a ladder does need a more thorough evaluation! But for the little things, it’s amazing how many home remedies are available.
Interesting, I'll have to look into that.
As a recently (2018) retired physician, my recommendation is to avoid all allopathic medicine at this point, especially hospitals. Everyone in allopathic medicine went brain dead in 2020, although there were clear signs years before then. I’m so sorry anyone has to endure this maltreatment. Praying for you and your family.
Four years ago my son took me to the ER as I had slipped on the stairs and landed on my arm and was in much pain. The hospital tech took me to get an X-ray and after viewing determined that it was a sprain. After a week of being in intense pain I made an appointment with an orthopedic dr. The orthopedist did another X-ray and told me that I had a hairline fracture and that it was too late to cast as it was already healing. Thankfully it has healed with no problems but my intuition told me that the pain was something to have further investigated.
Even though the treatment was the same from allopathic medicine , it is still in our best interest to know what is wrong so that we can use natural remedies when appropriate
It seems they always test for illegal drugs, when they draw blood
I’m pretty sure they could’ve taken a urine sample to find out the markers for the kidney plus it would have blood in it
There was no reason to even test for illegal drugs and the patient was refusing pain meds.
My point is they just test for them anyway to pass it on to the MIB file which only insurance companies have access to what’s wrong with pain meds?
They serve a purpose, especially at night when trying to sleep
Medical information, Bureau
Yeah. They're still the Men in Black.
You left out the fact this "contrast dye" is actually radioactive and contains graphene oxides. Fun. Never, not ever, should a person sign something they haven't read. Particularly medical consent forms.
Scary
I feel for you... worst place to ever go is the hospital.
Recently family member had a shunt malfunction and of course they were alone in the ER and of course they signed the papers.. even though their cognitive function was affected by the shunt issue. UGH. At LEAST we had a wonderful nurse. When she came to ask questions I had arrived (it was emergency surgery) and when she talked about the jabs (of all kinds) there was a wonderful discussion on how bad all jabs were.
Thankfully you had an aware nurse! When I said no to the contrast dye for the CT scan, the technician looked at me like I was crazy even though she admitted the dye was not necessary in this situation. How scary to be alone in the ER. Glad you were able to get there for the family member.
Assuming good intentions of everybody involved, I can understand that they have too many patients there to run the checklist point by point for everyone. Most patients won’t even understand what they are told. The work of the department will be slowed down, workers overburdened, so the final number of patients benefitting from the care could be affected.
After all, they are specialists, we are not. We assume and trust that they are there for the best of our interests, and that they will select and apply the best measures matching our condition.
Because this is what we do.
When I am a car mechanic, and the doctor in charge arrives in my shop, I do all the steps he/she does in ED and I optimize the procedure for effect (safety, recovery, future performance) and for labour involved (my staff and resources).
Same when we go shopping and the personnel there advises us and helps to choose what we need (or think we need). Same when investing money. Same when buying insurance coverage. Same when replacing installations back home. We all do this routinely, because this is how things should be done and are done.
In adrenaline-rich environments, the number of checks, explanations, questions and readbacks increases. Because firemen, policemen, airplane pilots, ship masters and bus drivers all are aware of tragic consequences if any of these measures are neglected.
In short, all these people carefully follow protocols of their trade because THEY CARE.
And our presence, residents, passengers or witnesses, does not make their work “overburdened”. Just the opposite. That burden or routines, checklists and informed talks is in place to make sure that we (the participants) are safe and they (the active protectors) do all they can to have the best outcome possible.
Simple, respectful, graceful.
May we all have this coming year like this - simple, respectful and graceful.
Dan, I definitely trust my car mechanic above and beyond the trust I have for westernized medicine. I understand it's a lot to read and most people do not even care but the health of my body is so important to me because it's the only one I have. I am fully aware of how the medical system can do harm. Maybe they are unaware but every thing they did is another exorbitant fee added to the bill. Blood test was unnecessary but he will be billed. Contrast dye was another fee that he thankfully avoided. For someone to tell him he had broken ribs but couldn't tell him the fracture severity is an unacceptable fee. I think most people have good intentions but many within Western medicine are clueless then.
Rip-offs in the name of any business are not nice.
PS. In most businesses, you get a detailed price offer before you buy. This includes insurance and banking. Why would health care be different? I have no idea.
Maybe because anesthesiologists are the only category of HCWs who do not like their job - the cannot talk their client into buying :-)
The forms (which I signed before reading) included pages listing the sources of all the separate bills, but obviously, there was no pricing. It will be interesting to see when he gets it.
It should be possible to challenge the whole thing on legal terms. Not easy, I guess. And at the expense of feeding another predator to rescue you from the first one. Unless a bona fide lawyer accepts the challenge for free.
I think it is illegal, but I would have to ask a lawyer for confirmation. When you approve new terms and conditions, say for your phone software update, you may not read the form entirely, but it is provided. At this hospital, I was not even offered the document to read or have it texted or emailed to me, and nothing was explained. Patients can opt not to read the form, but to not have it offered does not seem legal to me. At the very least, I will submit a formal complaint against them for this reason.
I don't trust the hospital at all.
I am like-minded. I look through such a different lens than the average Western medicine believer!
I wish I had your positive outlook regarding people's good intentions...but I've become far too cynical. My sense is that some people in zombie mode don't have any intentions at all; they're just on auto-pilot.
So true. I had a similar experience to the one you described. Mechanical, no-humans-involved, next one. With exceptions, fortunately.